it looks to me with john mccain like it's gotten personal. john mccain is trying to prove he was right about the surge. he was wrong about the surge. >> so uncomfortable. >> petty? >> the two of them. >> it got a little weird. >> it got weird. >> it got weird. the bottom line is, a lot of people who have criticized john mccain said this was child issue. the senate should not have brought up the surge because that was years ago and that's not -- that decision haven't going to be before the next secretary of defense. we have new problems or new hot spots in the world. that's in the past. he should have left it there. >> that's what a lot of folks are saying about that weird exchange >> bill: to the extent that we know, what is chuck hagel's agenda as defense secretary, looking forward? not backward. you know, what kind of vision or priorities does he bring to the post? >> i can tell you one of the biggest things chuck hagel has talked about if you look back historically as far as back as 2008 when he wrote "cyber security," it's something that